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I set up Nextcloud with RPi4 based RAID NAS. Via sftp as apparently it is not really that much slower and NFS felt weird to me
I bet my answer is going to be the least interesting one but let’s represent casuals too ;)
Keep it simple, stupid my friend :D
Well, now I see that I’m going to move to have sshfs instead. There are issues with spamming sftp connections for all the small files. But in general I’ve learned that really “done is better than perfect”. Just make it work, observe, iterate
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters NAS Network-Attached Storage NFS Network File System, a Unix-based file-sharing protocol known for performance and efficiency RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage SFTP Secure File Transfer Protocol for encrypted file transfer, over SSH SSH Secure Shell for remote terminal access SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
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Seafile, gets the job done, is lighter on resources than Nextcloud and all its cool features, and encrypts everything so my friends can store stuff on the server with peace of mind. I also use Immich for photo backup. And am in the process of setting up Duplicati with a friend’s server. (Unraid)
idk why, I really wanted this to work but could not, for the love of me, get Seafile working properly with my setup 😬
Wild, for me it was basically as simple as picking the unraid setup and pressing go - way less difficult than my first experience with Nextcloud (which was back before the All In One).
Nextcloud. It does the job well enough.
It took about 2 days of using nextcloud files across devices to experience unreliable syncing from Nextcloud on Android.
I installed folder sync pro on android and that has helped a lot, but it still irks me to use 2 tools when 1 should do the job.
Did you try Syncthing at all? I ran into the same issues with Nextcloud on Android and I’m trying to decide on Syncthing or FolderSync and I wanted to see what people thought. I’m currently using Cryptomator but it doesn’t do everything I’d like yet.
People love syncthing but I spent about 20-30 min on setup and found it confusing once I got beyond 2 devices. There are a couple comments in this thread between me and someone else about different setup options with syncthing.
I have been relatively happy with folder sync pro and nextcloud though. It’s worth noting that changes only instantly push when they’re made on Android first. If you edit/add/remove a file that’s in a synced folder from a computer, then folder sync pro on Android will simply use the sync interval that you set (I have mine at 15 min and have seen no battery hit, can set it down to 5 min). You can also just manually hit the sync button in FSP. But that was just one element that I was troubleshooting and thought sync was broken, but nope, that’s just how it works depending on what device did the edit/add/remove.
I actually moved away from classical self-hosted cloud storage solutions after trying the usual suspects like opencloud, nextcloud etc.
And for me the time and effort (also the ressource-hogging if you don’t use quite overpowered servers) just weren’t worth it. Not when the used interfaces most of the time are open standards anyway and simpler solutions do the job:
Radicale for contacts and dates via a webdav subset. Webdav concidently being widely supported for integrating online storage into any filesystem (or as the backend for several other things like for example syncing my bookmarks over several devices and browsers). SFTP or the million tools being just a frontend for it.
One shiny platform like for example Nextcloud to do it all might be nice for a lot of users when they have someone dedicated to maintain it. But for selfhosting (as in: mainly for myself) the constant attention needed to fix stuff was quite tedious.
When I think of “Google Drive” or “Dropbox” alternatives nowadays it’s just a drive hooked up to some low-spec device and accessed via one (or several) already existing open standards.
(Bonus point: that lost phone is simply cut off by deleting its keys - unlike so many dedicated platform where you have to manage -if you even can- multiple dedicated users and their rights just to easily separate your personal access from your devices that are by design not all equally secure.)
One shiny platform like for example Nextcloud to do it all might be nice for a lot of users when they have someone dedicated to maintain it. But for selfhosting (as in: mainly for myself) the constant attention needed to fix stuff was quite tedious.
I have run nextcloud for many years, I would love to know what this “constant attention” you talk about is.
Occasionally I need to run an “occ” command after an install to fix some indexes, but other than that I don’t do much?
Same. None of that self-hosted cloud storage is going to save you from data loss in the event of a fire or theft unless you plan for offsite.
I just use rclone with Backblaze B2, end-to-end encrypted with my own private key, and call it a day.
I have a mirrored BYOD setup for my media server but its all stuff I can download again. Its just an onsite cache with a little redundancy against a failed drive.
I run Nextcloud all-in-one containers and I literally have to do nothing, ever, to manage it.
I mostly just use the Synology files app or samba over wireguard, and then sync a couple tb of super critical stuff to rsync.net. I have next cloud set up but all I use it for is editing my cook book from multiple devices and storing the few documents I migrated off of gdrive, but I might as well just have them in a regular folder on my nas instead.
Synchthing if I want local copies, otherwise I just mount sshfs shares from my nas (using sftpman as a helper)
Tried Seafile, Nextcloud, and Filebrowser Quantum. Nextcloud won out, although FBQ with a few files for select individuals does remain.
I see NextCloud here quite a bit. What I don’t see discussed is the cloud hosting option.
Hetzner has two NextCloud offerings.
They have a storage service backed by NextCloud. I think that’s new. I don’t use that.They also have have NextCloud available as an installable app from their service.
This is what I use. https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/apps/list/nextcloud/
I had to actually follow the directions to get it running.
And I have to patch it occasionally. Mostly, it takes care of itself.I use the cheapest 1vcpu VPC.
Yes my NextCloud service is a bit sluggish sometimes. But I’m paying like $6/month.
I’m pretty happy with it for storing music and updating my resume.
Maybe if I had the more demanding use cases like some commenters, I might not like it so much.I used to selfhost Nexcloud in OVH (or rather Owncloud back then) but I tire of the update cycle and now I’m just paying for Hetzner for their Storage Box or whatever their Nextcloud product is called. I love selfhosting and don’t mind doing it at work but for some reason Nextcloud was annoying enough for me to switch paying to someone else to update it.
Syncthing for files, Nextcloud (synced to fastmail and file tree using vdirsyncer) for calendar and contacts.
Filebrowser quantum is really good! Easy to setup and use.
opencloud, i just moved from nextcloud and wow, the performance is insane.
I feel like I’m doing something wrong by just using smb, what fratures do everybody use and need from cloud storage other than a folder you and your apps can access? File sync aside (I don’t think I need it and if I did I know how to use syncthing)
@pixeldaemon Syncthing. We have one “authoritative” fileserver running syncthing, and then a bunch of “clients” (laptops, phones) that sync up to the fileserver. This doesn’t work for, say, terabytes of movies/music, but for important stuff like photos/tax records/whatever, it means we can make changes on any “client” and it gets synced to the “server” and all the other “clients”
For more traditional cloud, I recently installed copyparty (https://github.com/9001/copyparty) w/ https://github.com/romaan7/white-gold-theme-for-copyparty
How do you set up syncthing with a host/client configuration?
I planned on setting it up with 5 devices but as soon as I got to 3 devices I started having issues and didn’t like the structure conceptually of “everything syncs to each other” vs having a “source of truth” with 2-way sync.
TBF my issues with syncthing were probably user error but still frustrated me enough that I bailed.
@yestalgia So I set up syncthing between a server and one client. Share folders between them. Figure out how you want the folder data replicated; for my phone pics, for example, the sync is one way from (phone) -> (syncthing server). For kids’ health stuff, it’s a two-way sync; because the sync might be (my laptop) <- (syncthing server) <- (my wife’s laptop), or vice-versa. Then add another client to the syncthing server, following the same process. Never sync client-to-client; always via server
@yestalgia I will say that the configuration is not the most intuitive. Part of it is just that the web UI is, imo, not that good. There’s a lot of confusing stuff exposed to users that isn’t really important for like 99% of use cases.
(who cares whether compression is metadata only or all data or none? wtf is “introducer” vs “auto-accept”? why do I need to see a random hash for device or folder id in addition to a device or folder name?)
I use rclone to mount via webdav. Works like a charm 👌
