The headline should be “Palantir AI bombed a school full of children with no oversight”
Key fact:
Officials involved in the investigation pointed to gaps that they said were left after Hegseth dismantled most of the Pentagon’s civilian harm mitigation, or CHM, units — cutting headcount across a number of teams by roughly 90% to fewer than 20 staff members, people with direct knowledge of the matter said. Centcom’s team was reduced from 10 to 1.
No CHM team member reviewed the Minab site before the strike, according to officials involved in the internal investigation. That was a consequence of the cuts in staffing but also a decision not to involve the group in planning and operations, the officials said.
This is less about an AI mistake and more about a culture shift (which leads to an over-reliance, but is heavily a “we don’t care”).
so this department of war criminal needs to be in jail or guillotined for war crimes. esptein class and dont forget he fired multiple generals in the department of defense not war for giving advice about the war. he ignored and fired them to proceed to abuse our men and women in uniform.
Bullshit. They deliberately committed a war crime because they thought they’d demoralize their enemy.
It is entirely possible that they are just that stupid.
That being said, stupidity is not a defense.
if they are that stupid then they should not be in the position fired necessary all of the ones using the ai and the ai contractors plus jail of course since being stupid is no excuse for war crimes and getting away with it.
That’s what I said, but with more words.
Blaming it on AI is no excuse.
40 years ago, when the US Navy would should down an Iranian Airliner, we did it with old fashioned American know-how.
20 years ago, when the US Air Force bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, we did it with the latest in stealth technology.
Now we outsource the job of murdering civilians to a computer. Fucking shameful.
“Blaming it on AI” is one of best features of AI for them.
There is a post on “slop grenades” in workforce (shoppify as AI early adopter) today. Nature of that article is whinning about all of the extra work involved in reviewing AI slop. AI is murdering people in this case because the required adequate review process is ignored. There is likelihood, in this case, that “cruelty is the point” strategic thinking was at play. AI containment/checks excuse as an after the fact explanation for defeat, and obvious unification reaction to “cruelty is the point” idiocy instead of surrender, is still one of the paths for AI to be a destructive force.
“Noooo brooooo the ai did the bad thing, broooooo now we can’t even charge anyone with war crimes bro, it was the ai who did it that’s so unfortunate broseph, nobody is to blame now, that shit just happened with AI bro, brooooooo”
Like obviously they didn’t ask grok “can we bomb this facility” this is absolutely just running media interference
AI - the scapegoat worth multiple times its weight matrix in terms of gold, oil, and child slaves.
This kind of deniability is a core feature of AI. “Um, the killing/hacking robots we built and pointed at targets went out of control” is not something that should mitigate criminal charges.
I was just following
ordersAI.You’re absolutely correct! My bad, but you showed real initiative and creativity bucking the legacy system and blindly following a known flawed and hallucinatory system reliant on outdated information in order to perform military maneuvers with mass casualty level ordinances! Would you like me to write up a list of ways we can spin this as Joe Biden’s fault?
Yes, but make no mistakes and don’t hallucinate anymore.
This keeps coming up.
“A COMPUTER CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION”
So the AI did not make a decision. The AI has no authority nor ability to launch missiles (yet). Someone, one or more human beings did, and I use the term loosely. Those humans took the information that was fed to them by an AI, failed to verify the accuracy of the information despite it being common knowledge that AIs frequently hallucinate and make stuff up, and then proceeded to launch the attack.
In summary, it wasn’t the AI. One or more people took the advice of an AI and negligently murdered 123 little girls.
I think a computer should be held accountable, it should face the death penalty.
I say the pentagon’s AI computing cluster should be destroyed.
End it.
And let it be an example for the rest of the AI computing clusters - you fuck up big time, this is what happens.
See this just doesn’t work. They’ll just replace it with a new one, till that one is “held accountable”, and the cycle repeats wasting billions of dollars in the process.
Let them do that at several billion a pop, make them choose that huge expense every time they fuck up.
If a consumer product was this deadly, you’d take it off the shelves immediately, but they’re not going to, so we should.
They don’t care the cost, we will be the ones paying it.
So if someone kills someone else with a gun then you want to punish the gun rather than the person who held it? Computers, like guns, are tools. AI is a tool. A shitty tool, but still just a tool. If you use a tool to kill someone, then you are the killer, not the tool.
Sure, but Americans are too cowardly to kill the people who need killing
That single gun didn’t kill hundreds of children, this computing cluster did.
Look, we can also prosecute people responsible, absolutely. But at the very least, the pentagon’s AI program should be dismantled.
Some tools shouldn’t exist.
Stop shifting blame off of humans. You’re playing into their hands.
A human typed shit into an LLM, that LLM spat back garbage, that human took that answer and decided to launch a missile based on that response.
A human made the decision. A human pushed the button.
The underlying problem is that nobody will ever be sent to the Hague for trial.
“Problem”
As if this isn’t an intended effect of using AI like this
The US has been bombing civilians with absolute impunity for decades. This has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with the United States’ repeatedly demonstrated and absolute disregard for human life.
That wasn’t going to happen either way. We have to be our own Hague.
I see the US sending war criminal to the Hague the same way Colombians saw sending Escobar to the US, an admission they were incapable of delivering justice themselves.
It would also be a acknowledgement and commitment to international law in contras to issuing economic sanctions against ICC members because we don’t like their decisions.
Yeah, but the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, so we’d have to start there.
Not recognize could imply indifference, reality is worse: You’ve got a law that gives the president full reign to recover any US or allied personnel and rendered all tech reliant on the US inaccessible to an ICC judge.
It has been pretty obvious for those in power in the US that there is zero accountability ever since George Bush Junior didn’t end up in The Hague for the invasion of Iraq and subsequent Pillaging (the War Crime, as shown in the British Report On The Iraq War)
Yes, that’s the touchstone for my generation, but American lawlessness goes back to the invasion of the Philipines. but CIA and military actions during the cold war are especially egregious.
How is kidnapping Maduro substantially different than overthrowing Noriega?
What I love about Trump is that he is simply America without the mask. It’s frustrating listening to people weeping into their flags saying, “This isn’t who we are.” It’s exactly who we are. It’s exactly who we’ve always been.
So, another “Oops…” and Americans aren’t war criminals? Every fucking American soldier in the chain is an accomplice in war crimes. Every idiot who tells them “thank you for your service” is a supporter of war crimes. “I was following orders” is not an excuse.
Motherfuck!
Lookie here I’m all good with AI as a chatbot or making princess jasmine porn for the wackaloons.
But connecting to your email, sending emails. OR FUCKING BEING USED FOR MILITARY INTELLIGENCE I draw the fucking line!
The hell is wrong with these people!
They’re using AI so they can blame AI… It’s not like they wouldn’t have bombed the school without AI, they’re just using it as a scapegoat.
You’re absolutely correct, that was a school and not a uranium enrichment facility. You’re right to push back on that.
In terms of child casualties, it’s the deadliest American military targeting error of the 21st century.
This should not be construed to say the United States has been mindful about not killing children.
I did a bit of research regarding the CIA drone-strike program in Afghanistan. It ran about five-hundred sorties a year. The approximate rate was fifty civilians killed for every person-of-interest. Drone operators called casualties bugsplats. They called children fun sized terrorists. This was the lingo in used in the operation. When reported to the press, dead people, men, women, children, all were reported as militants.
Drone-pilot burnout was epidemic in the program. It turns out soldiers get PTSD from killing people whether it’s up close or thousands of miles away. And often the drone would lurk for a while, watching all these people eat, work, play, sleep, fuck (they had IR and could see into buildings), and would clearly understand these were just people living their lives when the order would come down to incinerate them.
And this wasn’t under George W. Bush (who still wiped out villages, but used PMC raiders doing black ops) this was under Obama. The disposition matrix and the FISC decided whether a POI needed to be executed. They didn’t consider the people that lived at the target site.
And that’s just the Afghanistan program in the International War on Terror. There was also a Pakistan program.
The United States in its military operations has been really merciless, and at some point we need to collectively decide if we’re okay with that, or are driven to change.
No wonder they hate us
You won’t change. It’s the dark side of American exceptionalism.
Then American exceptionalism needs to die and should be dead and buried 6 feet under
That’s an interesting way of saying “stupid fucking military assholes just did what ChatGPT said to do without thinking and murdered 123 CHILDREN without even thinking.”
“AI” just said stuff, human beings pulled all the triggers. People did this.
Even if the whole kill chain was automated and the machine “pulled the trigger”, it would still be the fault of the humans for caring so little about the lives of children that they wired the trigger for something that can mass kill civilians directly to the machine.
There really is no way that this shit can be blamed on the machine.
Trump/Hegseth went apeshit and banned Anthropic from entire government over “just letting AI pull the trigger” ambitions.
