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  • Yes it does still collectivize production; it just does so in a decentralized method. You don’t need centralized authority to be a collectivist.

    You have no understanding of what anarchism is.

    Oh and of course, the lame fallacy that because it failed it means it can never be a thing. Tell me again how that worked out for the communist projects around the world? Oh, right, those imperialist nations totally don’t have clear class distinctions and any day now they will just willfully give up their newly gained authority over the masses… any day now…


  • Bruh, you’re taking a metaphor at face value instead of just understanding that it is, yes, a simple slogan meant to represent a much larger idea. A very common anarchist slogan, in fact.

    It wasn’t meant to be a point. It isn’t an argument against any of what you stated because it isn’t itself an argument. It is just a slogan that represents a more in-depth point.

    No, the proletariat cannot just use systems of oppression and hope it withers against its fundamental design. That’s just naive, wishful thinking that doesn’t understand how the system works to reinforce itself.

    Tools also depend on their design to function in a specific way. You can try to saw away at a tree with a hammer all day but you’ll never cut it down. So the answer isn’t to use their tools to do something they weren’t designed to do but to build/use different tools altogether.


  • If you remove the system that allows them to gain authority over necessities and dictate how others access resources that should be communally available then you fundamentally remove their ability to be able to oppress you and your community.

    by asking nicely,

    I didn’t say you ask nicely. Nice try misrepresenting my argument because you can’t understand it.

    What you are literally talking about is that we tried using the tools of the masters and instead of making a better society we just changed who was at the helm of the oppressive system. Thanks for proving my point.



  • Why would I sell a gear for less than I paid for the metal I made it from

    This right here is the entire flaw of monetary based economics. It always comes down to the profit incentive which drives people towards individualist, selfish behavior instead of thinking about the actual material efficiency or benefits.

    but you still need to assure a living wage

    This assumes that a “wage” is necessary and not a handicap put in place to force the masses to have to pay for access to necessities from an owning class who only serves to hoard resources for the purposes of selling it back for profit. People only need a wage because the owning class relegates necessities behind their system of private ownership and require payment before they allow people access to what should already be communal property.

    do require monetary recompensation if the task is not pleasant by itself

    People were doing unpleasant necessities for hundreds of thousands of years before money was even a concept. People understand that things need to be done if things are to exist. People like feeling useful in their community. So long as they are respected and provided for, they are more likely to be willing to labor for the sake of the community because they find fulfillment in hard work. Sure not everyone will, many would like to specialize in less physical labor, but there are more than enough who swear by “an honest day’s work”.

    You still limit yourself by thinking these systems are immutable facts of life and not societal norms that can be changed.





  • Miss me with this “capitalist realism” take. Money doesn’t make things happen. We can restructure our economic system to not be in a stranglehold of arbitrary monetary value. In our current system that conflates monetary value with material value yes, things are expensive due to whims, specifically the whims of the owning class.

    There are other incentives for why people labor than just getting paid.