Agreed. I might have misunderstood. I think black shirts and reds as well as washington bullets are pretty spot on in that regard.

I dont currently see how the book can seem dated. I laughed when I read it a week ago how shockingly current it is. Like the fact that international banking is basically the mafia. The imf is like the number one evidence for it.

While those are technically true, they are inconseuqential at best, plain wrong at worst.

Yes, the dems could be pushed left a little over a long time in theory. But practice has shown that this is not achievable since all other material circumstances are against it.

The “least bad” option is a communist party, absolutely not the dems.

Voting is not going to help half as many people than going to the next soup kitchen or neighborhood meetup and organize there.

I hate these soc dem apology posts. Biden has blood on his hands up to his shoulders.

Trotskyist permanent revolution bullshit.

I agree to all of this.

What I think people hate is the capitalist way of treating it and selling it. As a world wonder that will solve everything and make thinking obsolete.

But at the same time they hate the people who believe this, which feels like the majority, which points at the contradictions in society.

Then what I personally hate on top is the layer that we are made to fight about this constantly and so on.

And all these are the material conditions we are forced to exist in which makes my neighbor use chatgpt in a discussion with me which ultimately just breaks my spirit at any future for us human monkeys. Its literally heartbreaking.

So yes, i absolutely see the potential that ai has for leftists and people in general, I just totally refuse to have a discussion with what feels like ai evangelicals who seem to think its the best thing since bread.

I mean the contradictions show up in myself too. I positively wept looking at rosa fucking luxembourg singing a marxist rock song because I’m fucking easy to emotionally manipulate and I understand that this will work on goddamn everyone. But it ultimately means we are going to lose because it means whoever has the bigger model will win the fight to manipulate the masses. Then again china is showing that socialism even in its infancy is the fucking terminator of capitalism if properly applied. This does show strong promise and pretty much proves that they are right playing the ai game.

This list can go on forever, going back and forth (which I alluded to before).

Okay i feel that. The amount of shit happening is off the charts, no doubt.

The people who died supporting palestine while the whole fucking country in many cases (looking at you germany) were also completely unnecessary.

I think the issue here is that the anti AI crowd is basically left wing reactionaries. I’m just starting to learn about left reaction (e.g. moralizing) which seems to be used to derail the left by the bourgeoisie. Today I heard a podcast on rev left radio which was very good and they basically explained how people were trained like pavlovs dog to react a certain way when presented with positive sentiment about the ussr for example. I think this is what is happening with AI as well. Since the discussion is so loaded with emotion, normal debate seizes to work.

I’ve had this issue on here already. Myself being on the anti AI side. While the argument is correct that ai will never replace human art, the possibilities shown are very numerous. That imo is the key to winning this argument. The issue that I see with some pro ai sentiment is that the fear that rises in people through massive chaos around the world isnt taken seriously enough and that leads to increasingly negative responses.

But I guess this (AI topic) discussion needs more back and forth and probably q&a style answers to get anywhere long term. Otherwise increasingly scared left reactionaries will scream at increasingly frustrated ai proponents.

Really great points. I think it would have been a lot more helpful without the insults though.