Fuck the British
Churchill was a racist piece of shit.
So are people who disparage entire nationalities for the actions of a few.
I’ve never done anything to you or India; So can you explain to me why I should get fucked?
It was more than “a few”. You can get fucked for downplaying the scale of the atrocities the british committed. The entire european economy is based on the exploitation of the global south. You can get fucked for tone-policing the anger that causes.
Ah gotcha, so a newborn in the local hospital is responsible for the atrocities committed by a man who died 60 years ago, seems logical.
I’m not downplaying anything, I’m pointing to the fact that your anger is misdirected. There are many British people that have had absolutely no say or action in any of what you’ve stated, yet you claim they should get fucked for no reason other than where they’re born.
Yeah your right, Scotland, Ireland and Wales had no say, not fuck Britain, fuck England
I mean, Churchill was a massive racist. The famine in India killed approx. 2.1 million people.
But Zedong’s policies led to a famine that killed approx. 36 million peoole, literally 10-15 times worse. It’s nice that he grew his own veggies I guess but fuck me that’s an insane failure of policy. If you managed to fuck up so bad you end up killing 36 million, I think it’s fair to say you deserved the title of monster.
The famine in India was very much manmade and could have been greatly mitigated if Britain desired, much like the Irish Genocide. The famine in China absolutely didn’t result in the deaths of 36 million, that’s Black Book of Bullshit numbers and it was sadly a common occurrence well before Mao was in power, which is why they were trying to get rid of pests in the first place: food security was a huge issue, one that has thankfully been solved since the party acknowledged the experts and corrected course.
As expected, the toll of Churchill’s genocide is pushed down as far down as you can while it’s zillions and bajillions whenever the commies are to blame. It’s transparent as hell.
Britain did attempt to mitigate it, but natural disasters prevented them from doing so effectively as they took out the rail lines to Bengal. Ultimately the famine lasted 1-2 years.
But mate, not even China (and the CCP) denies that Zedong primarily fucked up here (translated from http://www.gov.cn/test/2008-06/23/content_1024934_2.htm):
However, due to insufficient experience in socialist construction and insufficient understanding of the laws of economic development and the basic conditions of China’s economy, and more importantly, due to Comrade Mao Zedong and many leading comrades at the central and local levels, who became complacent and eager for quick results in the face of victory, and exaggerated the role of subjective will and effort, they rashly launched the “Great Leap Forward” and the rural people’s commune movement without serious investigation, research, or pilot projects. This led to a serious prevalence of Leftist errors, characterized by high targets, blind command, exaggeration, and a “communist style.” From the end of 1958 to the early stages of the Lushan meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee in July 1959, Comrade Mao Zedong and the Party Central Committee diligently led the entire Party in correcting the errors that had already been recognized. However, in the later stages of the Lushan Conference, Comrade Mao Zedong mistakenly launched a criticism of Comrade Peng Dehuai and subsequently launched a Party-wide “anti-Rightist” struggle. The resolution of the Eighth Plenary Session of the Eighth Central Committee regarding the so-called “anti-Party clique of Peng Dehuai, Huang Kecheng, Zhang Wentian, and Zhou Xiaozhou” was completely wrong. Politically, this struggle severely damaged democratic life within the Party, from the Central Committee down to the grassroots. Economically, it interrupted the process of correcting Leftist errors, prolonging their existence. Primarily due to the mistakes of the “Great Leap Forward” and the “anti-Rightist” campaign, coupled with natural disasters and the Soviet government’s treacherous breach of contract, my country’s national economy suffered severe difficulties from 1959 to 1961, causing significant losses to the country and the people.
And you may call 36 million bullshit, but that is the historical consensus. We know from official sources that the population in 1961 is 15 million lower than in 1959, but that difference also assumes no population growth, suggesting a much higher death toll as the Chinese population was growing very quickly at the time. And that’s the Chinese estimating it:
- Yu is an independent Chinese historian and a former instructor at the Central Party School of the Chinese Communist Party, estimated that 55 million people died due to the famine. His conclusion was based on two decades of archival research.
- Chen, a former senior Chinese official and a top advisor to former CCP General Secretary Zhao Ziyang, stated that 43 million people died due to the famine.
- Liao, former Vice Director of the History Research Unit of the CCP, reported 40 million “unnatural” deaths due to the famine.
- Yang, Xinhua News Agency senior journalist and author of Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958–1962, concluded there were 36 million deaths due to starvation, while another 40 million others failed to be born, so that “China’s total population loss during the Great Famine then comes to 76 million.” In response, historian Cormac Ó Gráda wrote that the results of a retrospective fertility survey “make the case for a total [death toll] much lower—perhaps ten million lower—than that proposed by Yang”.
- Cao Shuji, Distinguished Professor at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, estimated the death toll at 32.5 million.
- Peng Xizhe, Professor of Population and Development at Fudan University, estimated 23 million excess deaths during the famine.
- Li, former Minister of the National Bureau of Statistics of China, estimated 22 million deaths. His estimate was based on the 27 million deaths estimated by Ansley J. Coale, and the 17 million deaths estimated by Jiang Zhenghua (蒋正华).
It’s next to impossible to get an exact number because the statistics were being manipulated by local governments at the time to look less bad. There’s enough reason to believe Zedong didn’t know the full extent of the famine (he seemed to believe it was ~5 million), because he too was fed bullshit from his underlings. So you may call it “Black book of bullshit” but I’m basing myself on sources from China, of people and institutions connected to the CCP.
Correction: Britain halfheartedly tried to mitigate the famine that was caused by their wartime policies, their land grabbing practices and wage practices. Bengal exported food to Sri Lanka in the initial months of the famine, the same playbook as with the Irish famine. When Britain finally delivered aid, they tried to make it some market scheme, with loans, rice injections into the market and rice payment for hard labor. Harebrained. The Brits prioritized the war in the region over effective famine relief. That’s what Churchill did wrong.
Regarding Mao: The intent of most of his policies was to improve harvests. Of course, if you persecute your intellectuals, use the teachings of an absolute fucking moron as the basis of your policies and brand every failure to deliver as the work of evil rightists and saboteurs, you’re going to kill a shit ton of people. Maybe a skilled war lord, he was utterly incompetent when it came to managing this famine. And so was the entire state apparatus.
Thanks for the interesting Chairman Mao write up, Chairman Meow.
It killed far more - estimates go between 6 to 10 million. 2 million was the low end British estimate to make it seem not as bad.
Can you source that claim? The estimates I can find are between 0.8 and 3.8 million. There’s outliers going up to 5-6, but I don’t know where your 10 million comes from.
Where do your claims come from?
They’re clearly sourced on Wikipedia. Your turn.
Oh ok. Mine are also clearly sourced in the Liberal Holy Scripture (Wikipedia) then.
So you have no sources, just vacuous claims.
Don’t waste people’s time then.
a condescending dipshit. really shows that many accusations are just confessions.
Wowie, so you post empire-sanctioned liberal propaganda on a meme about the propaganda of liberal media. Wow so big brain!
There is literally no link I could have found that would not have triggered your criticism. There is literally no Western media outlet that would not be labeled “empire-sanctioned” by you.
What sources would you consider trustworthy?
Anything that doesn’t fall under the empire umbrella, as was clear:
Some actual Churchill quotes. This is who repeatedly gets voted the “Greatest Briton” by the British people.
- “It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population. Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy. Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination.”
- “I think we shall have to take the Chinese in hand and regulate them. I believe that as civilized nations become more powerful they will get more ruthless, and the time will come when the world will impatiently bear the existence of great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations. I believe in the ultimate partition of China — I mean ultimate. I hope we shall not have to do it in our day. The Aryan stock is bound to triumph.”
- “I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race.”
- “I think a curse should rest on me — because I love this war. I know it’s smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment — and yet — I can’t help it — I enjoy every second of it.”
- “One might as well legalise sodomy as recognise the Bolsheviks.”
- “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.”
- “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others.”
- “One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.”
- “I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
- “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”
People very much do not think churchill was a saint, he was precisely the monster required at the time during WWII
It’s actually fucking insane Churchill and his policies killed 4 million Indians while he was in office and you call it “precisely the monster required at the time” fuck if you think so lowly of brown people I guess Hitler was the monster required for the time too, he broke the western European colonial empires to the point their empires crumbled not long after. So 6 million Jews, makes Hitler the most evil man on earth but 4+ million south Asians dying under Churchills watch is “precisely the monster required for the time” you fucking dunce
Literally referring to his lionisation during wwii as anyone who had the barest conception of history would grasp.
Yes, everybody understands that was your perspective. You just happened to share that perspective on a post talking about a man-made famine in India. So, uh, you failed at context.
Churchill repeatedly gets voted the greatest briton of all time by the British people.
