It’s as if some notable proportion of humanity suddenly switched to eating nothing but vaguely food-shaped plastic, then a study concluded that that might have negative effects nutritionally.
No shit?
no shit!
Zero poop.
Absence of bowel movement
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Very little duh.
You mean the computer program that removes the critical thinking aspect of school instruction is having detrimental effects on americas children and their excecutive functions? Say it ain’t so.
Now now, there is no real proof that getting something or someone else to do things for you would stop you from learning how to do it!!
Look at me, I got someone to pass my driving test and I’ve only had 22 accidents this year. Way down on last year!!
If your kid becomes dependent on you to continue wiping his ass well into his 30s, thats a failure of the parent. We are raising a generation of students who are dependent on machine statistics, not reason, to decide whats correct and right. God help us all.
You’re on to something here. I raised my kids to use technology as a tool, not as a babysitter. They didn’t have smartphones with SIMs until after they’d learned to drive. But they knew how to count in binary on their fingers by the time they were three. They’re really good at recognizing when something was LLM-generated, and only use LLMs when it’s required.
I think there’s quite a few kids like them out there, but they aren’t the ones you hear about.
God I can only imagine how bored they were being taught to count in Kindergarten.
They had fun with that; kept inventing new ways to count, and then taught their classmates with various levels of success.
Thankfully, their teachers got on board and didn’t see it as being disruptive.
We get closer to idiocracy every day
It’s important to have these studies, even though the result is predictable. People who want to move toward restricting AI in schools need something more than anecdotes to point to as justification.
Replace “school” with any place that ai is used and this headline holds true.
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I mean, the problem is LLMs. If I were to replace “school” with “biomedicine” or “protein folding,” then that would be clearly wrong. However, the AI used in those fields are machine learning models, not LLMs
Even LLMs have use cases were they are a good tool - fixing grammar, low risk translations, etc. Unconstrained chatbots with models that are way past the point of diminishing returns is just not one of them.
Back in my day, we had to do homework ourselves…
“Do you know how to use microfiche ?” is my generational secret handshake
Back in my day, a few of us did homework, and others got other people to do it for them, or made up excuses as to why they couldn’t turn it in.
Study says sky is blue. Study says eating food is necessary for survival. Study says your mom is smokin’. More on this and other shit we already knew at 11.
I’ve been interviewing software engineers for many years, and this was the first year the “AI natives” started graduating and applying for jobs.
Never had such a high rate of people completely unable to write one line of code in a language that appears on their CV, it’s been about 50% in the last few months where I had to end the interview during the warmup question.
No shit, Sherlock.
Didn’t even have to type it out you took care of it already.
When I was in year 12 of high school last year, some students attempted to use ChatGPT to write their practice exams for them. Mind you, these practice exams are the same as proper state mandated exams, where there are to be zero electronics used whatsoever unless it’s a disability aid, but the practice ones are also just that, to practice your skills, not to write it off as some worthless obligation.
There were actually heaps more of these students who entirely used LLMs for their assignments, would be made to rewrite them because it’s AI written, then proceed to have ChatGPT write it again and pass it through a ‘humaniser’ which just made it unreadable. It’s alarming that these people are willing to stop using their mind at all just because some service from half way across the world wrote an essay better than they could before.
Off topic, but it’s kinda cool to know younger folks are on the Feddiverse! Thought lemmy was just a bunch of old people like me haha
I use AI to my advantage, as long as it’s still at the “free until you’re addicted” stage. I found that it’s particularly good as a language teacher - learning new languages is one of my hobbies.
However, i am over 70 and will not fall into the “let AI tell me what to think and then think it” trap; i can see through it. This ability should be taught first at school, before the kids can use the useful side of the tool. But most teachers themselves are used to make the kids think what they want them to think, so I doubt that it will work.
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Well, no shit.
“May be doing more harm than good” but, honest question, is there evidence it’s doing any good in schools? I know I’m probably not going to get a balanced opinion here, but is the bad outweighed by good, or is the bad outweighed by neutral at best?
Well, now you’re asking a definitional question. What counts as “AI”? If I use OCR to help grade multiple choice tests, I’ve saved hours. That’s AI, isn’t it? What about spaced repetition for flashcards or dynamic question selection for quizzes? Do they count? … So then we’re back to the same old story. People want to sell weird fancy useless shit (that counts as AI), so you ask if AI has value, and then they reply by giving you more traditional examples (that also count as AI), and then the whole conversation leads nowhere.
Anyway, let’s focus it. Let’s go with ChatGPT as a generative tool. Then still there are some real gains that can be made. Small but real.
- If I’m brainstorming ideas for a lesson plan and use ChatGPT to come up with 10 ideas that I use for inspiration, maybe that’s OK.
- If I need a graphic to illustrate some concept to the students and I use genAI to create it, could be useful.
- We can come up with dozens of things just like this. Teachers using generative AI in small ways for specific tasks to speed up their workflow.
