The recent surge in fuel prices due to the war in Iran has spurred demand for electric vehicles around the world, and Chinese car makers are making the most of the opportunity.
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Its amazing what a boon the trump cartel is for China and green energy
He should be awarded the Nobel prize for advancing environmental causes.
Sure wish rich dicks weren’t holding back innovation in my country!
“free market”… oops, cept for those things.
they want you to buy thier overpriced evs in the us.
BREAKING NEWS: Thing that is happening can in fact happen!
“thriving car company not selling in the U.S. says it exists”
Well yeah, we know it’s doing well and it isn’t here… Why would the title even need to be stated?
To remind pedohitler that his country is not the center of the world and that others can in fact survive and thrive without him.
Pedohitler is a nice word, gonna steal it.
Didn’t one of US presidents advisors mocked BYD and labeled it as non competitive to EV market.
Maybe this was a good reason to be stated.
Pretty sure they’ve been doing fine without the US market for years.
(It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when BYD sets up dealerships just north of the border, since Canada has given them the okay to import a certain number of vehicles per year.)
(It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when BYD sets up dealerships just north of the border, since Canada has given them the okay to import a certain number of vehicles per year.)
Better to look at Australia. Low tariffs only apply to 50,000 cars made in China, which include Volvo and Teslerrr. This means the cars they import will be expensive.
But Canada tried an experiment with BYD buses, they set up an assembly plant near Toronto in 2019 and the buses were so bad, no one ordered them because they broke in testing. Toronto ordered 25 and sued to get their money back, and by 2023, BYD Bus Canada was shut down after building a whopping 10 buses.
Buying a new model from established car makers is a bad idea. The reality is there is no long term data on these Chinese EVs.
London (UK) has been successfully running BYD EV buses for years with no major issues. They’re cheaper than the diesels to run and quieter. Not sure why Canada had so much trouble.
I was curious about that so tried googling ….
Canadian buses were
- earlier models - I see years like 2018
- at least some were built in a new plant in Canada
- part of the blame was lack of spare parts
- part of the blame was limited range, especially in winter
London buses
- newer. I see years like 2024
- no real winter
- I see articles about a new larger battery to fix range issues
- appeared to have similar problems, including a major recall for fire risk
Maybe London benefitted from newer models and doesn’t get as cold as canada
Seems a fair conclusion, certainly it is warmer in London UK than London Ontario !
Wasn’t just Canada, US cities all had problems in testing.
A huge domestic market is a strong advantage for Chinese manufacturers.
Even if every single country stops buying Chinese cars, they’ll still have a base of 1.5 billion potential customers.
With more countries actively partnering with China, this number goes up considerably.
Tho, maybe it’s because the Chinese don’t deal with these huge margins they have on cars now. A new car now costs tenfold what a new car would cost a few decades ago
A new car now costs tenfold what a new car would cost a few decades ago
Average car price 20 years ago in Canada, $32,700. That $52,000 corrected to inflation.
Average price of new car in Canada 2026 is $63000, but average is a stupid measure, the median is much lower.
I can’t find the actual median price but it is estimated by one site at $45K.
The big difference between today and a few decades ago is people leasing cars they cannot afford, which drives up prices.
I can confirm the price of new cars in France, it seems to be everywhere. Also, “thanks to” leasing, you would think most people can afford BMWs and brand new big cars at a very high price. It’s really irresponsible when you know that they don’t earn enough for those cars, and they will lose thousands of dollars in the process.
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Are you sure on the TPMS date? I’ve got a vehicle that’s much newer than 2007 that doesn’t have it
They sell a lot of EVs because of laws. China did not make EVs voluntary in large cities.
Indeed, environmental regulations have played a pivotal role in the development of Chinese EV market, no doubt here.
In some cities, ICE cars are borderline unusable since you can’t even drive them at will any day you want - assuming you can even get a license plate in the first place.
What I meant was that international pressure on the demand side is not as scary for Chinese companies as it is for many other places.
This is the reality of the situation. They are an absolute juggernaut with a tremendous amount of inertia. It seems like it would be a good long term strategy to partner with them, or emulate them at least.
They did do quite a bit of damage to Mercedes, Porsche and BMW in Germany over the last 2 or 3 years.
Good. Those names have been during way too smugly for the quality of their vehicles.
Competition: the final boss of capitalism.
I think the rest of the world is getting there too.
Isn’t there another post where it shows the cars in the USA are spying on you, triggering an alarm when it detects that you are tired and what not “technological advancements” they put in them?
Hey China, you are welcome to sell me your clean cheap car!
Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027
Not quite, but almost
Hey China, you are welcome to sell me your clean cheap car!
Sure, but they’ll be spying on you too.
What’s better? To be spied by your government that can use your data against you or the foreign government who can’t.
In an ideal world there’d be no spying, but we don’t live in one.
I mean, I agree we don’t want spying, but: a foreign government absolutely can use your data against you. Whether its creating a profile on you that could later be used against you when you enter that country, using it for statistical or targeted data for influence campaigns…there are a lot of ways.
China in particular has repeatedly deployed extra-territorial “police service stations” in at least the UK, Canada and the US to punish or harass those it’s identified as “Chinese” dissidents or sympathizers in other countries.
On the other hand, it is very unlikely that I would willingly enter either China or US, so there is that.
Honestly, China is amazing, and well worth visiting (not just Shanghai though, which is far too westernized.) Fantastic people, too.
You wouldn’t get me in the US again at gunpoint, though.
a foreign government absolutely can use your data against you
They would like to know which individual have specific skill sets they want. Things such as being able to fly a fighter plane, operate a nuclear plant, or design hypersonic missiles.
even if china does have your data, probably going to run scams that likely wont affect you anyways.
BYD doesnt sell cars in the US according to the article so no, I don’t think BYD is spying on you.
However that other post you’re thinking of was possibly the one about the US manufacturers being forced to build in the spyware by the US govt…
Kinda the opposite to your direction of travel in tge post it seems to me ?
They’ll be selling BYD’s in Canada very soon. I wonder how that will work if there is still a Canadian that needs to cross the border into the usa and ends up in donald trump’s america? Will they let them pass? Will they confiscate the car?
I suspect that will depend on how brown the driver is…
They don’t sell cars but they do sell their electric buses here. So at least are getting quieter buses.
they are planning to actually put spying tech in your car by 2027.
Most Americans would not buy a Chinese car anyway.
I love that Americans pretend to be the most important and competitive market. The combined population of Europe is twice that of the US. South East Asia is 700 million. And the choices in EV’s is triple that off the US.
These are the markets Chinese manufacturers are after. These markets accept Chinese cars based on the price, quality and innovation.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. If BYD were allowed to import their entire fleet to the US they would be at the top of my interest list on price alone even if the US prices were double what Ive seen in new articles.
I’m personally in need of a new vehicle and everything, both the pickups I need and the passenger cars, are too expensive and has too much shit I don’t need installed by default. I’m literally holding my car together with ducktape and bailing wire waiting for the Slate Truck to come out.
I think that if Slate Auto actually pulls off a inexpensive light duty EV pickup, and it proves reliable, it may completely change the landscape of the American auto market. I’m pretty sure that Ford and maybe Jeep will survive, but I’m not sure the others will unless they can start kicking out lower priced vehicles quickly.
They used to say that about Japanese cars in America too.
And the first Toyotas and Hyundais were awful, they rusted out in minutes.
Most Americans would jump at the opportunity of the price is right. They might tell you to your face they won’t but they will.
Most of our bs is made in China anyway
No one cares about population. It’s about gdp.
American media pretends. Americans are just stupid.
Id buy a Chinese car before an American one (as an American).
There are around 290m cars in the us for the 330m people
There are around 420m cars in Europe for the 730m people
So while the actual amount of cars in all of Europe is more than the US the percent car ownership in a single country is insane
Than why don’t they buy foreign EV’s? There were options but now both Hyundai and Kia have stopped selling EV models last year solely in the US. In my opinion that makes the choice for BYD logical as these US established brands can’t even sell their EV’s.
Hyundai has pulled the ioniq 6 but the ioniq 5 and soon to be ioniq3 are sold in the USA still. Unless there was some news I missed. For Kia, Im not sure what their status is.
My own opinion, they were too expensive and the EV charging network wasn’t built up enough to prevent people from feeling like the available range options weren’t large enough.
Still, the absolute number is what matters, still bigger market.
If you are making an ad campaign, all of the US speaks the same language, generally has the same safety regulations, and a much larger percent of the people are your target ad personnel
The EU is a cohesive unit for regulations but speak many different language and once you branch out of the EU to all of Europe you can see why there are huge advantages to advertising in the US.
So no it’s not the absolute number that matters
California is famous for having different safety regulations.
I don’t see how the percentage should matter, absolute numbers matter. You get money for every sale, if you sell to 1% or to 99% is irrelevant.
Imagine you owned a store, what seems better, having 40 customers come in and all of them buy or having 80 people come in and all use up time with a salesman and then only 45 people purchase. You would end up spending a much more significant amount of the sales revenue on the larger showroom and more staff. This isn’t my opinion this is why the American market has been prioritized, that and the fact that Americans spend more on cars per year
California has different emissions requirements (not safety) but since they are a strict upgrade to the rest of the US (and comparable to other int markets) as long as you follow their requirements all cars in the US can be sold without any contradictory requirements
A very common kpi used is to examine the success of a campaign in a per target demographic so having the much lower response rate is worse
The 80 people with 45 sells, hands down. You don’t need more showroom, showroom depends on the product. You don’t need more staff, they work on commission, and again are proportional to the inventory.
Let alone that the comparison is pointless, in Europe people who don’t want a car don’t go car shopping and don’t consume any imaginary resources. You are in a town of 80 people and 45 visit your store to buy a car instead of a town of 40 where all 40 buy.
Well this is a waste of my time so I will leave you with one final look up. How many cars are sold per year in the US compared to Europe?
Hint the answer is the US
I want nothing more than to be able to buy such a cheap electric car that BYD could sell me.
At their current price points? Tons of Americans would buy them. There is a lot of overlap in the Venn diagram between “china bad” and “Electric bad”
They also said that about Tesla, “no new car company can be successful…”
Have you seen Tesla sales since 2025? They are getting out of the car business.
We know
Here ya go
Dude. Where’s the NSFW tag?
But I truly want them here. I work in the automotive industry and yeah, they’re scared shitless. However, from my point of view it seems like a greed thing. It would drive competition hard and that would mean short to medium term r&d cost increases.
We are so fucking far behind it’s not even funny. Shutting out the competition is just putting our head in the sand. It is time to get into gear.
By doubling down on ICE and ultra expensive penis replacement “trucks” the Auto Industry and it’s paid up politicians there are basically committing suicide, so sooner or later there will be plenty of room in that market for auto makers with friendly priced electric cars.
If possible, every country should be self sufficient in areas they have. We were almost fully sufficient until those assholes sold everything to make a quick buck.
(Guess the country)
Edit: hint-we sold our sugar production to France so they can manage it better but instead they closed it so we have to buy sugar from them.
Not really narrowing it down there
UK?
It’s Czech republic but yeah, I didn’t narrow it down much.
All of them?
Even before this US war on Iran. BYD was already the top seller electric brand, ahead of European and United States brands, so I’m a little confused with this article.
Given the enshittification of the BBC I’d say journalist wangled a free ticket to the car show, was desperately trying to find the hook to write the story on, and asked the BYD rep something nigh on insulting like
“How can BYD be profitable when they are locked out of the world’s biggest car market ?”
And given they’re not allowed to say “We’re already doing just fine bitch, we don’t need to kiss the orange fascists taint” then you get that carefully diplomatic quote
i think they’re just reminding the conmander in chief that they in fact do NOT need murica to do well.
Yes. But as an American I want to thrive with byd here!
They’re just better electric cars than what we can get…
We can’t even get those small Japanese trucks
My area in NE Florida is swimming in those little Trucks and Vans. My daughter is nearing driving age and really wants one of the Vans.
