• tidderuuf@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Isn’t China flooding Europe with cheap EVs? Not necessarily a bad thing but could have some unforeseen repercussions.

      Also I’m not advocating that U.S. Automakers are any better, they are not.

      • GalacticRobot@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Not necessarily a bad thing but could have some unforeseen repercussions.

        They were, but EU placed high import taxes on Chinese EVs to counter this, so I think in places like Germany (which is a county that’s pretty brand loyal), Chinese EVs only make up 10% of all EV sales.

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          3 months ago

          I think it’s less about US media propaganda and more that the EU put large tariffs on Chinese EV imports which stopped that. In Germany specifically thought, there is a lot of German brand loyalty as well, which is a factor. It’s more of the PHEVs that are Chinese imports because those have lower tariffs.

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            3 months ago

            Been loyal to a car brand is such a weird concept. Especially considering that they all use the same chassis these days anyway.

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        3 months ago

        I do see some chinese brands on the road, but not many in comparison to other more established brands.

        The thing keeping people away from chinese brands is the uncertainty of future repairs. The “flood” might come in a few years once people have more experience with how it’s handled. Currently, as people get their first EVs, they want to be able to take their VW to the VW shop, not take their BYD to the random no-name mechanic with a BYD sticker on their window.

        Everyone is also waiting for the statistics from the EU inspections. Nobody wants a car that can’t pass the inspection in a few years time. Tesla has proven to be a huge failure in that regard, and I think that will scare people away from not only Tesla, but also the unknown chinese brands who yet have to prove themselves.

        It also doesn’t help that these smaller brands pop up and go bankrupt in the same year as they scramble to find their markets.

        EU brands might not be any better or cheaper, but at least they are better represented locally.

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        3 months ago

        The European EV market is dominated by European carmakers. There are dozens of models, many of them affordable.

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          3 months ago

          Lol what. EVs are fckn expensive, even the compact cars. Like the Renault E-Twingo for example, that one starts at 20k. That’s expensive af. I remember when back then u could get a regular Twingo for like 10k. And no, Inflation alone does not explain a 100% price increase. 20k for a new car ain’t cheap. We could have a much higher share of EVs if car manufacturers wouldn’t be so greedy.

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    3 months ago

    The numbers:

    As a result, EVs now have 28.4% of the total German car market, whereas hybrids have a 28.1% market share. Pure gasoline models ended last month with a 20.5% share, while diesel-powered cars took home 11.4% and PHEVs got 10.9% of the pie.

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    3 months ago

    Splitting gas diesel and hybrids is misleading in this stat. Once EV beats all of the above, true progress is on the horizon.

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      3 months ago

      Not really as they mostly have different rolls.

      Diesel is pretty much limited to commercial usage. I’m sure some idiot is driving a diesel truck around but that’s not common.

      The remaining are all commuter based yes, but the hybrid at least indicates the market is preferring cost saving measures over traditional gas. I would expect hybrid sales to transition to EVs as they drop in price and as battery tech improves.

      Honestly for the average hybrid buyer they likely only pick that over an EV due to Germany’s insanely high electric prices. Highest in the EU if I recall.

      If Germany got their electricity prices under control I’d expect a portion of that market to switch.

      Also the last hurdle may be access to charging stations. Charging at home is the most affordable, but there are not many Germans with parking and charging access. I know at my Oma’s apartment they have like 4 parking spots (no charging) per building and then everyone fights for street parking. Infrastructure has a long way to go to make EV viable for the average German.

  • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca
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    3 months ago

    You wouldn’t believe the push they have for EVs in Europe. The US and Canada are lagging so far behind because of the oil lobby its not even a joke.