• tacosanonymous@mander.xyz
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    1 month ago

    How would he know?

    Because, he’d have to know the answer and then willfully lie for his nose to grow. Alternatively, giving a confident answer when he doesn’t know would make his nose grow regardless of him being correct.

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    I’ve had conversations with my friends on whether his nose grows based on deception or the truth value of the statement. My friend and I with rather secular upbringings grew up thinking it was based on deception and my friends with rather extreme Christian upbringings grew up thinking it was based on the truth. Obviously a very small sample size but I do wonder if there is a correlation

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    If you say something you’re convinced is correct with the best intentions. But it turns out to be incorrect. Will you burn in hell for breaking one of the 10 commandments? Asking for a friend.

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      No. Lying is making a claim you actually believe is untrue. It’s actual truthfulnes is irrelevant. If you believe it’s true, it’s not a lie.

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        Yep, still working through this with one of my kids. Lying requires an intent to deceive, to mislead. You can say things that are untrue without meaning to, which is not lying

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        I’d like to believe there would be some carve out here for willful ignorance. Like if the truth is easily accessible and you choose to believe contrary to that because of some other thing, maybe you don’t get grace on that.

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    If taking hostages is required for solving the “universe’s secrets” it can gladly keep its secrets.

    At the end of it there will be a CEO extracting money from completly unrelated research. Humans are dumb.

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      “When I talk to philosophers on Zoom, I use a background that’s a picture of my real background so that I can trick them into having a justified true belief that is not knowledge.”

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        “I am telling you, I saw Kojima in my town’s coffee shop ride the rising gear of metal in the fountain!” However, I’m a hyperphantasiac to the extreme where I hardly distinguish between being present in my dreams and reality. I told you the truth, I did see that, but the fact of whether that happened is not there.

        Iunno tho, I’m taking a wild guess of what they could’ve meant, this logic seems most sound for that statement to be sensical

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        Archaic example.

        Truth: during the middle ages doctors believed that disease was caused by miasma, or “bad air,” and that by breathing it in could cause illness.

        Fact: Disease was caused by microorganisms, which spread by vectors such as insect bites, coughing and sneezing, and contaminated drinking water, among others.

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    This only works if Pinocchio is an all knowing entity. If he doesn’t know shit about the universe, than his lies aren’t proof that the opposite statement is true.