What about this one?
Listen here you little shit
Listen here you little dope /*6 yo me confused face
I’m at a loss for words
How many gears is that?
11? Including reverse
All of them.
Just enough to make the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
-1
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Oh, really? That’s odd. What client?
It was Boost, but I just got an update the other day and now it’s working so nevermind lol
Is this Garfield Breast Reduction?
I’m at a loss
e:f;b
1 = 壹 2 = 貳 3 = 參 4 = 肆 5 = 伍
These exist as well.
They’re used in places where numbers should NOT be forged(i.e. bank documents…)
This is how they got their numeric meanings btw.
So 伍 is not 5, but five.
correct
Does 0 have a shorthand character as well?
Can be written as 〇
I’m not sure about China but in Japan there’s 〇 which can be used like so: ハ〇〇円 to mean 800 yen, in a restaurant menu for example
It’s pretty complicated as-is so no.
Edit: clearly misunderstood the question. see below.
This reply makes no sense lol
Sorry, I misunderstood what shorthand meant. I thought the question was whether there’s a complex variant, like 一 → 臺 for 零.
I’m an ESL speaker, so please forgive me.
零 is the only character, as far as I know. 一, 二, … are not shorthands; they’re the original characters, while 臺 and other more complex forms are used only in certain situations where necessary.
Hope this is what the questions was about.
Their math homework must take forever
I don’t get 4. At least the kanji 4 looks very different
I guess the image is a lie and the Kanji are chosen by the reading and not because they contain the number kanji. It’s just that due to phonetic radicals, containing the number may give it the same reading.
Yeaaaah, I don’t know Chinese, but I’ve never seen a kanji of four horizontal lines, just 四 for 4
I never learned it as four lines. 四 was the way to do it. Maybe locally or something the hip kids are doing? Source: Mandarin professor ETA: I was a person of simplified Chinese though
Oh, cool af! I got adviced to always write years with all 4 numbers not to allow forgeries
Yeah líng 零 is pretty annoying as a learner of the language.
The top character is yŭ 雨 which means rain. Confusingly, this is the semantic component - the part that contains the meaning of the character. Explained below.
The bottom character líng 令 means order/command as a noun and verb. This doesn’t add meaning, it is the phonetic component: basically a pronunciation cue.
It originally meant “light rain”/“falling in drops, like rain”, actually. It began being used to mean “fragments” or “leftover part”, then as “remainder” in the mathematical sense. Then, eventually, to mean 0. Another form of líng is 霝 which means raindrops. It has 3 kŏu 口 (“mouth”) characters on the bottom to visually represent drops.
So, like a lot of Chinese characters, it really only makes sense when you understand the etymology - and even then it’s kind of a stretch
The fact that such intricate characters can even be displayed in such tiny fonts is nothing short of obscene lol, I wonder if chinese phones all have that Assistive / Readability Mode where the text is enlarged and high contrast by default, because I can’t imagine reading texts like that haha
As someone who’s learned Japanese a bunch: once you’re very familiar with the symbols, you don’t look at every little line to determine what character it is, just the general shape. The characters are built by combining a discrete and smaller set of “drawings” (called radicals). So the space of possible characters is limited to those combinations. On top of that, not every legal combination actually exists. You won’t suddenly run into 鬱, but with a different radical in the bottom left, unless you’re playing a trivia game of “spot the mistake” (which can even be difficult for native speakers, just in the same way it can be difficult for native English speakers to spell some words they’d have no trouble reading.)
I would wager some misplaced lines wouldn’t hurt readabiliity much in the same way we, in English aren’t usually struggling to read a sentence even if some of the letters are swapped/missing or a “the” is duplicated, etc. I’m sure you’ve seen examples of that before in English (or your own native language if it isn’t English).
Of course in some instances, even a tiny difference can change the meaning of a sentence entirely. This is also true both in English and logographic languages. Luckily our brains do a lot of subconscious work here too and figure out where special attention is and isn’t needed by using context and knowledge about the writing system.
(Small caveat: of course, especially in languages, there are always exceptions to every rule. And also the brain can be tricked, intentionally or not, in a variety of ways.)
In OPs post, I see a stick figure guy pooping. Jack shit. Zero
Yeah it’s a visual metaphor - the emptiness of his bowels = the concept of zero shit in bowels
Sure, when you mean “zero” it may look a bit excessive. But it’s quite adequate if you want to express “Void, the Dark Realm of Nothingness and End of All Things”.
ps: Glory to ZA̡͊͠͝LGΌ.
No one has mentioned special 2, 两! It’s only for counting certain things.
Two guys carrying a table?
I mean… in English we also use different words, such as “pair” and “dozen”, for some specific numbers.
You don’t divide by 0 in Chinese because he’ll jump off the page and kick your ass.
Japanese enters the chat:
Left: numeral; middle: regular writing; final: certain formal and non-forgery usecases.
または in point 7 means either variant is OK
The last line says one can use the modern yen sign as well (though some would argue that it’s bad manners in at least some situations, but I have no dog in that fight).
万 = 10k. Several countries use both 1k and 10k units (Japan traditionally was on the 10k side but had a lot of influence so now we see both a lot. A used car price might be 130万円 or something ( = 1,300,000 yen)
数字 通常の漢字 金額で使う旧字体（大字） 0 零 零 1 一 壱 2 二 弐 3 三 参 4 四 肆 5 五 伍 6 六 陸 7 七 柒（または 漆） 8 八 捌 9 九 玖 10 十 拾 100 百 佰 1k 千 仟 万 万 萬 円 円 圓（もしくは「円」のまま）Chart from here that looks better: https://saiseich.com/business/kanji_kingaku/
We have a way of writing numbers in certain situations. Think of it like checks in the US where we write things in a certain way so that the numbers can’t be easily changed to increase the value or something.
Japanese isn’t much better:
一、二、三… 四｡
It’s the same as in Chinese, so I wouldn’t expect it to be 😅
In Spanish it’s 1,2,3 and 0.
The fourth character he wrote means 4, not 0, though.
Why would he do that?
Technically, I think that’s Arabic
No, I’ve studied Arabic and it’s actually ١,٢,٣ and ٠.
الله أبهى
Gracias.
De rien
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE?!
I want the whole version of that
Not why, memorize.
Wait. I’ve played a lot of Fatal Frame, and they only signify the Zero Lens by its kanji, and it’s not that square shape. So now I’m confused…
Maybe its ghost folklore origins put it more on the Chinese side?
Chinese characters are seen in Japanese media as stylistic choice, yes.
The ones I typed are proper Japanese Kanji, which are derived and very simplified forms of Chinese characters. Even more so than Simplified Chinese.
A) Kanji are Chinese characters.
B) Both languages simplified their characters, but Chinese was actually more aggressive in simplifying than Japanese, not the other way around.
For example, look at the character for turtle:
Traditional Chinese: 龜
Simplified Chinese: 龟
Japanese: 亀kanji are not a stylistic choice, but an integral part of the writing system
also I think you mean the syllabaries (hiragana, katakana) are ultimately derived from chinese characters, japanese kanji are largely the same as chinese hanzi
You misunderstood me because that’s not what I was saying.
If there are Chinese characters in a Japanese game, they’re there for the visual appeal of them… unless they’re trying to actually teach Chinese, which I doubt the Fatal Frame series (horror) is doing.
when you say “Chinese characters” do you mean kyuujitai? all kanji are chinese characters, that’s what 漢字 literally means
I wonder when kanji stop being Chinese characters in the same way that souvenir used by someone speaking English isn’t using a French word. Like characters with different variations in Japanese technically aren’t used (and weren’t ever used) in China, like 誤 vs 誤 (prob won’t show up right with the font on here but the Japanese component on the bottom right uses 六 without the top dot and Chinese uses 大). The kana were all derived from kanji as well, so could those be “chinese” characters? The etymology is obviously Chinese in the same way souvenir is French, but what does that really mean?
Dunno, maybe it’s mostly semantics, especially when trying to talk about it in English
to me, “Chinese characters” means a certain writing system that is used by several languages (and not just Japanese and Mandarin, but also Cantonese, Korean, Vietnamese etc.), but doesn’t inherently belong to any one of them. So, in my opinion, Japanese variants or 国字 are totally valid Chinese characters.
whether kana are also Chinese characters is a very interesting question. I think the main thing that makes them distinct is the purpose they serve, as they no longer convey any meaning by themselves but are instead used to write language phonetically. but I wouldn’t be so sure when it comes to 万葉がな. although manyogana was used the same way as modern kana it retained the shape of chinese characters. so maybe it’s the combination of both the evolved shape + different purpose that makes kana distinct from kanji?
In Korean it’s not so bad: 한, 둘, 셋, 넷. Or 일, 이, 삼, 사. Yes there are two different types of numbers…
The concept of zero is scary, so it’s a wizard shooting lightning from all orifices. Makes sense.
Under the arms and from the butt are the orifices?
armpitussy
This got weird SO fast.
“Three, Two, One… NOTHING”
scratches head in Mandarin
Lmao, I just picked up learning Kanji again after like 3 years (never had time in grad school)
It is rough. But fierce repetition helps a lot. I can see the characters for “read a book” whenever I close my eyelids now hahaha
Once something turns into muscle memory you don’t forget.
https://bookshop.org/p/books/zero-the-biography-of-a-dangerous-idea-charles-seife/9b102f8407965163
Really good read.
Zero The Biography of a Dangerous Idea.
I see a little person jumping up and spinning in midair to make an egg shape like a zero
based
Fun fact, for a long time in history minus (-1) did not exist
Zero is also a relatively new invention
I saw a video years ago where somebody was talking (with a translator) to a tribe, I forget where. He asked how do they count. They would point with one hand to the other hand. Once they’ve got to five they start pointing to other parts of the arm moving upwards. He then asked what if you need to count higher. They looked confused, why would they need to count higher.
For them they could exist without needing to count beyond teens.
I’m not sure how accurate that is, calenders are pretty important for being able to survive, and surely they need to figure “do we have enough food to last the season”.
Maybe they have different math for that or there was an issue with translation.
In the history of mathematics, -1 was understood waaaay before 0.
For the Greeks, doing 1-1 would be invalid, something close to dividing by zero for us.
Fun fact, for the greeks, 1 is not a number either - they said the natural numbers started at 2 and unity is something else. This is because, they said, all numbers represent pluralities.
Dividing by zero is well understood and sometimes even well defined.
That’s a stretch.
We know the limit of it and on a Riemann sphere it is defined as infinity.
We know the limit of a/x as x --> 0 if a ≠ 0.
The limit is different if a = 0.
The limit of the division function under certain conditions is not the same as division - division has a discontinuity at 0 which is expressing the same thing.
Defining division by zero only works if you don’t care to preserve the field axioms, which is often inconvenient and so not done. The Riemann sphere is not a field, and fairly niche in the context of mere division, so I stand by my accusation of this being misleading.
The policy of not defining division by zero to preserve the cancellation law is the most sensible default.
How about -2?
Three pigs
Two pigs
One pig
Zero pig ? Or zero pigs?
Honest question. Do we pluralize nouns of zero count? Or should they be singular?
It’s plural, but not because there are many pigs.
“How many pigs are there?” And answering with “There are no pigs” use the noun “pigs” in the same way. They are referring to the “pig” category or kind. When answering knowing the actual count, it’s a specific number or token.
“How many pigs are there?” And answering with “There are no pigs” use the noun “pigs” in the same way. They are referring to the “pig” category or kind. When answering knowing the actual count, it’s a specific number or token.
There are one pigs
In English you use plural for zero count. I have zero pigs. There are 0 cows.
And also it’s not just zero, plural is for literally anything other than (positive) one: 2.3 pigs, -1 pigs, 0.2 pigs, etc.
