Just know that everyone on that list is a violent extremist including me
Goddamn I’m not just banned as a user, I’m banned as a specific userRegex. That makes me 2x more extremist than the average banned user.
Get on my level you losers.
Am an average joe, and i also got banned via regex.
So you are not thaat extremist, just an average joe level extremist
I’m also under userRegex. What does that designation mean exactly?
It means that any user with that username on any instance will be blocked. No matter if you’re on lemmy.world, piefed.zip or asldkfjalsdifjlasdf.mobi.
Ah, thanks. That’s what I thought, but as this is my only Lemmy account it seemed like overkill
Tesseract users losing access to your comments is a realitaetsverlustverlust 🤪
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
Here’s their full explanation: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
That’s fucked up. And he’s the self-appointed “nice” [secret]police? Yikes.
I’ll give a short description of the long post.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
“Someone leaked the list. Why am I on it??”
A: The list was never hidden just not advertised (lest people game it). I also could have encrypted it, but I merely compressed it for efficiency. If you’re on the list, then one of the 10 reasons above applies.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
This shit is rich
I did [bad thing]. I could have done [worst thing], but I didn’t.
All of this shit falls flat when the dev themself admits they hid the feature to disable deep in the app and even called it “toxic mode”. Is saying “perchance” toxic? Because that’s one of their blocked phrases. Fuck no, it’s not. This is just shit the personally dislike and put it in under the guise of making the fediverse more normie friendly.
As if silently hiding content with phrases like “perchance” and causing a massive drama makes the fediverse more normie friendly.
You’re assuming his apologia is not disingenuous. The notes he added in the commit messages and the extent to which he blocked users who were indirectly implicated in his accusations don’t line up with his explanations.
There’s also the fact that much of it is caught under a very broad net of “promoting violence” without any examples provided of what constitutes such a thing. He used that exact explanation to justify banning blahaj.zone, where he said that some users did so and the admins did not act on it, which prompted him to blacklist the entire instance and the admins specifically.
This isn’t even getting into the intentional inaccuracies about the nature of his “Toxic Mode”, or his entire rant on db0 which is not only dishonest and weirdly personal, but also straight up lying about what happened and why. There’s zero way to say that exposing his blacklist is “going Karen” like he did, and it’s a straight lie to say that nobody had a problem with his blacklisting until db0 complained when the situation is that db0 made the existence of the blocklist known.
The philosophy of federation is that such whims should be openly handled on the federation level, not in a secret blacklist of a front end that was openly available to all.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
Don’t worry I’m on that list too. I’m just a grumpy reddit refugee. Apparently I’m an extreme violent leftist terrorist, so
¯\(ツ)/¯
Yeah that comment was about you specifically. Sorry you had to find out that way
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off
I’m a rough edge!
some personal vendetta
Seems like it’s hubris / arrogance - a poorly considered attempt to create some kind of ideal social experience.
They thought they could covertly silence leftists and trans people. Par for the course with bigoted fascists.
It seems they want to silence any kind of hate speech, so I guess some hateful leftists or aggressive trans people (as few as there may be) felt discriminated.
Hate speech is speech encouraging/justifying violence based on inherent characteristics, such as race, gender, sexuality, etc, not just speech you hated lmao.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That’s why the backlash has been so severe.
Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That’s up to individual server admins and their userbase.
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Fully agree on the weirdness that this would somehow be the concern of a frontend. Nah brh. Very strange.
The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
Lol. TIL I’m a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.
Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
That is like the quintessential serial killer description by his neighbors.
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
Why are you talking to yourself? /j
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
Your TLDR reeeeeeealllllly buries the lede.
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
Honestly, with this block list, what’s actually left in terms of content? That list would surely account for half this platform’s traffic or more.
Yeah it’s not for me either, but I also believe that people have a right to not have other’s speech or behavior forced upon them, which is kind of exactly what ActivityPub was created to facilitate and what separates it from corporate platforms.
THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
What the fuck did violet do to make the list?
I feel like one of the things he said was that he blacklisted people who “regularly post things normal people don’t want to see” (or something along those lines). I assumed that was a blanket statement to cover Violet and anyone else whose posts have made him feel uncomfortable.
What an absolute snowflake.
How do I apply for the list
At this point they should just have a whitelist, that’s a hell of a list! There’s some users I recognise from my instance who are chill so I can’t imagine how they ended up on this list.
Hey, thanks. I had heard about the list but didn’t know where to find it. Turns out I’m on it, too. Badge of honor.
I’m on a list. This is a big day for me.
Maaaan guess I need to post more
Yeah, I didn’t know I had it in me! Death to Zionism. Such violence.
I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
Holy fuck I made the list wow
First read as violet extremist and thought the blacklist was about armpit lickers.
Adding to my vernacular.👅
Tesseract dev: “I made a list of people who willfully misconstrue things to create drama and play the victim”.
people on that list: “OHH WOW SO I’M A VIOLENT EXTREMIST NOW???”
did you read the devs reply?, He definitely wasn’t saying this was for annoying people who misconstrue things
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
To the fascist nazi scumbag, “violent extremist” means anyone that opposes genocide, anyone that has espoused consequences for murder, torture, and oppression, or anyone that has ever made fun of Charlie “Goebbels” Kirk.
Are you trying to create drama and play the victim while complaining about other people supposedly creating drama and playing the victim?
They have a cure for that, it’s called fucking off.
im no victim i’m the winner here lol
Cunt
Winners are well-regarded for doing everything you’re doing.
nice
TIL the wholesome yuri community are violent extremists.
you learned that? where?
Some even proudly so, from the looks of things:-P.
they’re allowed lol
smug levels off the charts. gross.
Wish me luck.
I’m not on the list. But I’m banned from Reddit, so I got that going for me, which is nice.
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Meanwhile I have no idea what everyone is talking about. “Tesseract” huh? Guess I go outside too much…
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sweet, I’m on the list
I take this as a good sign
So what does this mean? I’m shadowbanned for some Lemmy users because I’m too leftist?
Yes. Anyone and anything on the blocklist will be shadowbanned for anyone using the Tesseract frontend.
Have you checked the Dubvee ban logs? You might have been banned there years ago with even knowing it. Without even having known that instance existed. If that will make you feel any better. Happened to me. Through some weird automated ban sync process. Now I’ve learned the Dubvee admin is the tesseract dev who did all this, I didn’t even bother checking if I’m on the list. I’m feeling pretty hipster about all this.
Not only are you on the list, you have an instance-agnostic regex. Congratulations, you are likely a good person.
Seriously, I wanted to open a PR to add myself to the list, but the fucker took the repo offline because he couldn’t handle the backlash. Wussy.
My internet poisoned brain trying to figure out what permutation of pussy starts with w
Woman’s pussy
Free Palestine!!!
Does tesseract dev support Israel?
Wasn’t Admiral Patrick one of the devs that got caught upvoting all the Zionist propoganda posts like a year and a half ago? I wished I saved that thread. None of the most egregious Zionists accounts are on the ban list even though they are very abrasive and political extremists. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest was just a cover for that.
Using the word Zionist or the Epstein Class hides your comment :/ and I swear every account that’s critical of Israel is on that list.
Not to speak for them, but my understanding is they abhor all calls to violence… And paradoxically, supporting Palestinian freedom is maybe a call to violence?
I don’t want to make claims that don’t exist, but that’s how I could explain them blocking statements like this.
And to be clear, yes, free Palestine!
In all fairness, genocidal states are rarely overthrown peacefully
Perchance I can join the list 🥺?👉👈
In all seriousness: how did they think it was a good idea to create a blacklist when a sizable chunk of the Fediverse is so against external interference in general? Did they not see this coming?
They did. Why else would they hide it?
the question mark only means the first emoji is optional. If you explicitly add it the RegExp unfortunately doesn’t match it anymore and you will forever be a rightist or whatever
In all fairness many lemmy mods are assclowns and ban for no reason similarly.
Yup, using the Lemmy modding tools so it shows up on the modlog.
This was done in secret and for other instances without their consent.
It’s a sign you don’t post enough. This includes myself.
I haven’t posted much, and yet…
love how literally everyone on lemmy is clowning on tesseract and that mofo
Got tesserekt lmao
Its one of those moments which just makes you really happy to be here
I’m still trying to understand what the hell Tessaract is… I’ve only moved over Lemmy in the last two weeks. Before I was banned on Reddit there was also something everyone was angry about different reddit apps.
I’ve never understood any of this… I just want to talk to people, read silly shit and annoy everyone.
It’s basically just a front end. Like a stylesheet. It should do nothing but display the existing data in certain ways.
At least that’s what they’re supposed to be. This person decided to force their own views on everyone who uses it without disclosing that it’s doing that.
I’m still trying to understand what the hell Tessaract is
Someone else explain it by using an analogy:
“Think of it like email” is enough to explain 90% of the fediverse.
Bro reddit banned me too. I just decided I’m done this time, not gonna bother creating a new account this time. They can sit there and circlejerk , I’m finally on a good lemmy app and there are no ads.
Yep 100% agree.
Context?
I still wonder what it is I said/posted that did it. Was it the Luigi pictures? The guillotine images? Or my relentless disdain for all things Microslop?
why not ask him?
@ptz@dubvee.org what dumbshit things did we say that hurt your fragile ego?
oh never mind, I’m on the block list too.
If you’re on .world and you haven’t been hassled over Luigi comments, I’d say your comments have been relatively tame.
What do you mean? I think all CEOs should be Luigi-ed.
Why i’m not in the list? So unfair. 😔
Same!
Let’s start a new list called the “would have been on the first list if they knew about me” list
Good idea, I’m in!
Yeah, how do I get on that list? Seems like the hot list right now.
Is there like, a website, or a form? Do I need to fail an IQ test? You know, like cops can’t score greater than 80 on an IQ test.
The shibboleth is as follows:
Death to Moe!
Abolish guillotines.
Yuri, perchance?
Post this exactly at midnight, three days in a row, at the appointed place.
Same. Gotta step up my game. Fuck tesseract. I’ve seen what they want and I don’t want it to include me
